Marty Two Bulls, 'Hickory Ground'

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Marty Two Bulls
4/13/13

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This cartoon reminds me of the 2011 Maskoke Creek Nation sifting through and the "digging up bones" fiasco by the Okahoma Maksoke Creeks at Fort Benning. They sent their own MCN representatives to give approval and they personally dug up the Sacred Ancestral remains. Maskoke Creek Nation then gave approval for a highway to run over the Ancestral original sacred resting places and reburial of the Maskoke Ancestors in a different location than their original resting places at Fort Benning. No MCN "back to nature" requirement demanded at that desecration? No MCN protests at that Sacred Site, strange indeed? Yet they tell Indian Country "we don't dig up or disturb the original resting places of our Ancestors" with their funerary belongings? Now, MCN thinks they have the right to judge Poarch?
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stop all this about the site should of been that block off to honer the indians and fixed so no one could go upon the grounds so to me its just as much on u too
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The Columbus Ledger-Enquirer, Fort Benning, Georgia wrote in their November 22, 2011 report, the Mvskoke Creek Nation of Oklahoma was sifting through dirt clumps for bones, artifacts and pottery fragments and they were hands-on involved in the excavation of sacred Ancestral remains. The discovery was made Nov. 14. Ted Isham, cultural preservation manager from the Muscogee (Creek) Nation of Oklahoma, said the tribes are sifting through the dirt piles “Breaking the surface of the earth and potentially disturbing the deceased is a very significant act for us, so we tend not to take it lightly. Our ancestors came from here,” Isham said Thursday. “There is great cooperation between the Indian nations and federal government, and we have a good relationship with Fort Benning. That allows this excavation work to be done in an efficient and expedient manner. The Maskoke Creek Oklahoma team uncovered burial plots for at least four individuals last week, Isham said. Major finds included a femur, tooth and gorget, a tribal neckpiece or necklace. The latter is in relatively pristine condition, indicating one person must have been a chief or individual of elite status......and the Oklahoma Creeks say they don't dig up their dead and are now trying to sit as judge over Poarch? In many cases construction on Federal or Indian Lands require Department of Interior and BIA approval with inspections. Just as in this report, for many years that method of reinterment has been an accepted as "status quo" by the Indian Nations and that procedure has been accepted by the (MCN) Mvskoke Creek Nation of Oklahoma in past recent cases. The (MCN) even participated in disturbing graves and "digging up" bones of Ancestors for reburial at Fort Benning, just as Poarch has done and that procedure has been documented as the "status quo" NAGPRA procedure which has been accepted in the recent past by the Mvskoke Creek Nation of Oklahoma and by many other tribes in these construction digs, with official Tribal approval and Tribal hands on participation. Yet the Poarch Creek are now called desecrators, simply because they adhered to the very same NAGPRA Laws that require protecting the Ancestral remains by "Archaelogical Survey" which is usually adhered by the tribes, just as in the Fort Benning case. In most of these cases the "Archaeological Identification" must be completed before Tribal Origin can be proven for the Ancestral remains? An established method and procedure that has been used in the past like at Fort Benning with Oklahoma Mvskoke Creek Nation approval for the purpose of proving the original "Tribal Origin connections" of the Ancestral Remains and afterward the reinterment or reburial of the Ancestors. That same NAGPRA procedure was followed through with and accepted by the Muscogee Creek Nation of Oklahama and other Indian Nations at the Fort Benning, Georgia "dig fiasco" in November, 2011 and the same procedure was done in the Poarch Hickory Ground case with reinterment just as it was done by (MCN) at Fort Benning with no "back to nature" requirement that is now being demanded by the Mvskoke Creek Nation of Oklahoma for Poarch? Instead of useless name calling and blaming Poarch, the Mvskoke Creek Nation of Oklahaoma would be more productive to work towards Amending NAGPRA laws that discourage Ancestral Tribal Identification by Archaeological Survey and Identification.
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Yes we should honor the past but If we stop our progress as Native American our people will die again. We are a people of honor who do not ask for help. We find a way to help ourselves. The people of Poarch were a poor tribe. They found a way to help themselves. At the same time help every county around them and the state of Alabama. They do not keep all the profits from the casinos. They have put millions into school, hospitals etc. . This is money that the local government agencies did not have to put into these areas. In return all the children in the local schools are better because more resources are provided for their education. They state wants to close the casinos but can they replace all the income the Poarch have given? As for the Hickory Ground, If we don't build on indian holy ground then we should not build house or any thing else because our native people walked and died on every inch of the US. Several problem came up when a Walmart was being built in Oxford Alabama and I do not remember any of this protesting going on at the time.. What about the Titan stadium in TN? I could go on.
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love the anonymous name...you got something to say then stand behind your babble....oops sorry I forgot you don't know who you are because you having stealing other people culture for so long...you have forgotten...you may find your real names on the cave walls you claim you came from...
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Post the link from this paper. This is the same stuff you spouted in post back in March. Some of them blaming the Oklahoma Nation for the Oxford Sams club. Investigation and a posted links showed it was Poarch and their consultant that worked with them. Sams Club was not built on a Mound as stated. I ask that people research the official legal documents available online. Do not take here say as fact including the media that might beholding to the Poarch Band as big fat advertisers. Fort Benning is not beholding to any tribe and have very detailed documents and studies before and after the event.
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Truth hurts, huh, Poarch. There's no comparison between that situation and this one. For one, nobody involved in the example you're using went back on their word. The only reason your people were given the site was to protect it from development and what was the first thing you did: you tore it up to build a gaming facility on it. Enjoy your blood money, it can't buy you respect or sympathy from the rest of NDN country. I hope your lawyers and the state of Alabama suck you dry.
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The protection from development agreement on the deed was for twenty years only, it was not a perpetual agreement, so the agreement was not broken. Even though they were contacted MCN was too occupied with their usual internal tribal problems in 1980 to covenant and work out a perpetual agreement with Poarch in the very begining and that's why a perpetual agrement was never finalized. For the second time where was the Maskoke Creek Nation of Oklahoma in 2001 when the twenty year protection from development agreement expired? MCN refused again to work with Poarch again toward a workable solution that would bring about a perpetual agreement for Hickory Ground. MCN has neglected to work out an agreement within the statute of limitatiions period. In other words they were so negligent or just not concerned enough to work out an agreement back then they have waited too late to take action and now it's 2013 is here and yet no perpetual agreement for Hickory Ground? Time is now wasting and MCN is still too pre-occupied with all these activities trying to publicly degrade Poarch. Yet the Mvskoke Creek Nation of Oklahoma cannot show Indian Country one positive thing that has come out of all their negative actions of "hate propaganda" toward Poarch. Can Mvskoke Creek Nation of Oklahoma name one action they have done recently that has created progress that actually has worked toward bringing about a positive solution to solve this problem for Hickory Ground? Nope, nothing-nada, not one positive action to solve this issue and now it's getting late, the clock is ticking near midnight and not one MCN Leader is concerned about doing whatever it takes to change course and do something positive or maybe meet Poarch half-way by trying to work with Poarch in a positive manner to do something or anything to bring about a positive solution or agreement for Hickory Ground. Instead, they are spending all of their time spreading Poarch hate propaganda that has not done one thing to work out a solution for Hickory Ground , but has only caused to divided the two even more and now a "deep divide" and time has wasted away and due to the MCN negative actions it may be too late?
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Question~ Why the need to enlarge the casino at Hickory Ground or why not go up instead of going out? People from the area might not know this but the Porach Creeks have 2 casinos in the area. Creek Casino Montgomery and Creek Casino Wetumpka the two are 24 mints/14.9 miles apart ? Wetumpka is a suburb of Montgomery Alabama.
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The one positive development in all this is that the Poarch have been exposed for the frauds they truly are. They give the native community a bad name and only reinforce the negative perception held by many people in this country that native people involved in gaming care more for money that tribal values.

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