Dusty, We apperciate your reference to pinenut.com and have worked VERY hard to help protect the pinyon forests. I disagree that there is good science and STRONGLY wish to hear the voices of traditional people from the pinyon land in plans for any thinning. Doug in Ut is the first pine nut project to come out of the west and it is a HUGE step forward, but only a step. We believe that there has been poor science in the area of "range" applied to lands that were intended to be forests. I hope the people who are from those lands will speak up and help those who make policy see the forest in the trees, rather than some type of invading plant that sucks up the water - which is what I heard in Las Vegas. The meeting in Las Vegas did not give a platform for alternative vision to the forest - Tansey and I were only ones in the room who spoke of pine nuts and feedback since - was that the nuts were not even considered until we spoke of them. I hope the partnership is indeed a place for people to help the land heal from the damage done by those who did not and do not see or understand it. Penny Frazier www.pinenut.com/ please search our blog for more information on this topic.